Curse

Sankt Hallvard · May 14, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

For whatever reason these people just feel as accomplished winning through cheating as they do winning legit. I will never understand why because it proves absolutely nothing and doesn't mean anything at all, and actually tarnishes the reputation of all achievements, but some people are just retarded.

I just think you are wrong. Even when there were totally imbalanced builds most people preferred to run "honorable" instead. For instance bloodspike in gvg or shovespike in TA. Both of those (at least I think) got most of their popularity because they yielded good amounts of glad/champ pts not because people thought it was fun to win in itself. Sure some people probably get their kick out of winning regardless of the means but I think this number would be substantially lower than the number of people running gimmicks(or bots) to get the ridiculous in-game rewards(titles).

However, at this point it may already be too late. As you said now to stay in the top you are pretty much required to bring bots.

The guy pointing out the grief factor probably has a point too. But keep in mind bots were initially made and gained popularity for their ability to grind titles.

Martin Alvito · May 14, 2010, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

For whatever reason these people just feel as accomplished winning through cheating as they do winning legit.

Not quite. If you can't win legit, then winning by cheating is better than losing for some people. I don't understand it either. I'd rather lose, learn and get better.

There is some truth to the "I bot for the lulz" argument. However, the players that have done so that I have spoken with got bored with it quickly. The persistent botters are probably similar to the people that ran gimmick: results-oriented and unconcerned with reputation.

PvP bots exist because disruption is OP in this game, and will persist until disruption is brought back into line. That would be a pretty substantial shift, and I don't see it happening.

Sarevok Thordin · May 14, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Not quite. If you can't win legit, then winning by cheating is better than losing for some people. I don't understand it either. I'd rather lose, learn and get better.

There is some truth to the "I bot for the lulz" argument. However, the players that have done so that I have spoken with got bored with it quickly. The persistent botters are probably similar to the people that ran gimmick: results-oriented and unconcerned with reputation.

PvP bots exist because disruption is OP in this game, and will persist until disruption is brought back into line. That would be a pretty substantial shift, and I don't see it happening.

I'd actually lol HARD if all interrupts got a minimum 20 second recharge.

vandevere · May 14, 2010, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

I'd actually lol HARD if all interrupts got a minimum 20 second recharge.

Problem is that that would nerf Mesmers and Rangers right into the basement...

Sarevok Thordin · May 14, 2010, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by vandevere

Problem is that that would nerf Mesmers and Rangers right into the basement...

Yeah but it would kill botters at least, what are they gonna do, bot empathy and backfire all day?

Fay Vert · May 14, 2010, 09:57 PM // 21:57

May as well just remove mesmers and rangers from the game, and any other profession that ever gets a bot. Good solution.

vandevere · May 14, 2010, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

May as well just remove mesmers and rangers from the game, and any other profession that ever gets a bot. Good solution.

I was just about to say something along those lines. Thank you.

There is such a thing as going too far.

I know bots are bad, and I would like them gone too.

But you can't punish possibly thousands of legit players who run Mesmers and rangers just to get the bots. That would be a game-killer...

fowlero · May 14, 2010, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

May as well just remove mesmers and rangers from the game, and any other profession that ever gets a bot. Good solution.

You'd have to remove monks too then.

And warriors possibly, i'm not sure.

FoxBat · May 14, 2010, 11:49 PM // 23:49

As far as player-enhancing smart macro style bots, they should probably just embrace it in GW2 like WoW did, no use fighting it.

snaek · May 15, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by fowlero

You'd have to remove monks too then.

And warriors possibly, i'm not sure.

gw would be awesome if the only classes in it were paragons, dervishes, assassins, and ritualists.

Still Number One · May 15, 2010, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

They aren't really doing it for the winning they are doing it because it pisses YOU and many more like YOU off! Greifing is fun to some people. Coming to the forums and seeing you whine and cry and QQ about it just makes them want to do it even more. So you're missing the whole point thinking they are doing it solely for the winning. It's the lovely red face they get to make on you and reading about the steam boiling out your ears. That's what is fun to them. You should read the book The Celestine Prophecy and then you might understand.

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I don't play Guild Wars anymore and haven't in 2 years so I'm not one of the people getting upset over it. I was simply making the statement that even getting rid of all rewards in the game (balth faction, z keys, titles, cape trims, whatever) would not stop botting. Martin put it in better words than I did by basically saying they would rather win despite cheating than lose and try to get better naturally.

As far as griefers go, I ignore them. They are usually small in numbers and if you ignore them they go away because they don't get the response they want. The majority of botters are not griefers, and they aren't people who enjoy coding these scripts to rival the best players (most users don't know a single thing about how to go about coding the things). The majority of them are using them to obtain something they don't have either because they are not good enough to obtain it on their own or they don't have the desire to do it themselves when a bot can do it for them.

I still stand beside what I said about some of them feeling just as accomplished winning through cheating as they would getting it normally. People are proud of their fake titles and achievements they have garnered even if they did not rightfully earn them. Just look at Cod MW2 and all the people paying real money for 10th prestige. They didn't earn it and to anyone with a brain it doesn't mean a damn thing. Yet there are a ton of people who are apparently willing to pay for it and then brag about it despite being absolutely terrible at the game.

Its the same mindset as people buying invites into guilds with trim, cape-leeching then going to RA and trying to brag about it. You didn't earn the cape, and anyone who actually pays attention to that sort of thing knows you didn't and will just simply laugh at you for thinking you are something you're not. I can't understand why people do it, but then again I don't want to. I get my enjoyment through things I work hard at accomplishing, not things given to me or things I cheated to get. I really wouldn't want to have it any other way.

Bobby2 · May 15, 2010, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by vandevere

Problem is that that would nerf Mesmers and Rangers right into the basement...

Because DShot is a perfectly balanced skill

vandevere · May 15, 2010, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Because DShot is a perfectly balanced skill

Just one skill out of many.

My point was that you shouldn't gut whole classes into uselessness-thereby punishing legit players as well-if all you're doing is trying to get rid of bots.

Black Metal · May 15, 2010, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Whats the point of even playing PvP any more?

fixed

I just read through all 7 pages of that thread. If Anet doesn't take a hard look at the next MAT, then they officially don't care what happens to this game. That thread is so full of evidence that PvP is completely infiltrated by bots, including many of the top guilds, that Anet would be COMPLICITE if they allowed it to continue.

ruk1a · May 15, 2010, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Romanov

You know that's bull. Go to Fort Aspenwood. There are botters that have been there since atleast last summer. (A certain elementalist....I'm sure you know who.) He has Dishonorable hexes on him all the time. I've reported him. Others have. I've manually reported him through the ncsoft website. Point is, if they're actually looking at reports, they'd see that this asshat has been labeled a leecher (automatically by the system) and by several players since last year! I'm about 95% sure that reports go directly to limbo.

They don't care about Guild Wars 1 anymore. They've left it to waste away while they're working on Guild Wars 2. For now it feels like they're keeping GW1 servers running solely so they can make a few bucks out us retards (yes, me too) that keep paying them for novelities like costumes. Its sad, I know, but I can't see them taking great strides to help a five year old game. I want them to come out and do something because I do still enjoy aspects of this game (I spend a lot of time in FA.). so /signed. However, I don't have much faith in them doing anything. Not atleast anytime soon. I can really hope that Guild Wars 2 will be managed better.

If you manage to get a response out of Regina (didn't someone bring up bots to Gaile already?) or anyone, it will be similar to the response this person posted. No offense or anything. Chances are they won't bring the banhammer down this time or do anything remotely good for an old busted game.

What he said.
I planned on coming back to guild wars after a long break, but after reading this, and a couple threads on teamquitter I am definitely not coming back just to get slammed by some botters in competitive pvp. Unfortunately this will not effect my decision to buy guild wars 2, but it should. Pretty sad what guild wars has turned into.

Ninja Ninja · May 15, 2010, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Primary Assassin

What he said.
I planned on coming back to guild wars after a long break, but after reading this, and a couple threads on teamquitter I am definitely not coming back just to get slammed by some botters in competitive pvp. Unfortunately this will not effect my decision to buy guild wars 2, but it should. Pretty sad what guild wars has turned into.

I can see this problem carrying over to gw2.

Sarevok Thordin · May 15, 2010, 02:36 PM // 14:36

The worst part is the chat box has been compromised too thanks to what is going on.

I won't say anything more but I have read some damning things on another forum (only read because I won't touch the bot with a 20ft pole)

merek · May 15, 2010, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Well,I am sorry to see this 24 page discussion on boting/ petition to get anet to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! lead to nothing.. sure they come to the forums to tell us about a typo they made with the latest update but nothing with boting! Why not even a comment in this forum or something?.. well it's ok for others to exploit the game and flood the market and make the market into a joke but I guess anet just wants to make sure that Aion is doing good or that they don't leak any info on GW2 .. so aggravating ..

/endrant

Scarlett Romanov · May 15, 2010, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by merek

Well,I am sorry to see this 24 page discussion on boting/ petition to get anet to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! lead to nothing.. sure they come to the forums to tell us about a typo they made with the latest update but nothing with boting! Why not even a comment in this forum or something?.. well it's ok for others to exploit the game and flood the market and make the market into a joke but I guess anet just wants to make sure that Aion is doing good or that they don't leak any info on GW2 .. so aggravating ..

/endrant

Lol. Anet didn't make Aion. Its made by NCSoft.

The only comments you can see, a response so to speak, are on Gaile's talk page. Rants about how they DO ban people. (Yeah right, I almost posted a link here so people would purposely troll her for such shit.) We aren't getting a response. Anet is pretending this thread and problem do not exist.

Del · May 15, 2010, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by snaek

gw would be straight up garbage if the only classes in it were paragons, dervishes, assassins, and ritualists.

fixed that for you